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6 responses to “Recognizing Red Flags in Toxic Church Environments (Part 3): The One is Worth It”

  1. Barbara Roberts Avatar

    Hi Carolyn, I’m curious about this part of your post: “One of my deepest regrets is getting pulled into an internal investigation where I unknowingly helped cover for secret decisions made by a leader.”

    Have you written more about that somewhere else? I’d like to hear more about that part of your story.

    Also, have you experienced or heard about any so-called “independent investigations” in which survivors were manipulated / disregarded / erased etc. by the investigating organisation? I know that happens a LOT in internal investigations, but I’m wondering whether it sometimes happens in “independent investigations”. In other words, I’m wondering whether the organisations that do “independent investigations” are as “independent” as they make themselves out to be. It only takes one or unethical people to infiltrate an organisation to make it unsafe for survivors.

    I’m also wondering whether you get a kickback from Beth Moore for publicising her course. Not necessarily a financial kickback, but any kind of favour.

    Please don’t take offence at my questions. As you know, I’m a survivor like you. I’ve been hurt and burned by many so-called advocates, so I’ve become ultra cautious of what may be going on behind the scenes in the advocacy community.

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    1. Carolyn Deevers Avatar

      Hi Barbara, 
      I haven’t written publicly about the internal investigation. A friend and her husband, both in leadership roles, initiated it and asked me to get involved due to my work in crisis advocacy ministry. My participation was presented as necessary to avoid a staff member possibly being fired or a church split. In hindsight, I regret stepping into a situation that should’ve been addressed by the male leaders—especially in a church where only men’s voices carry weight. It became clear that manipulation was operating at a high level. 
      G.R.A.C.E. was hired, at great expense, to conduct the investigation. But sadly, their findings and recommendations to safeguard the church going forward weren’t implemented. The man at the center was found to have preyed on others, and church leadership was aware of concerns long before the investigation began. Still, nothing was reported. One leader even admitted someone underage had confided in him but claimed he didn’t report it because she was “just sharing as a friend.” That’s not how mandatory reporting works. 
      Those who came forward were minimized and eventually left the church. I stayed longer than I should have, hoping to advocate for reform and protect the vulnerable. However, my presence didn’t lead to change, and I (for multiple reasons) ultimately left as well. 
      There was also another situation that deeply affected how leadership responded or failed to respond, to abuse. A friend once confided in me about serious issues within her own family. Later, she regretted telling me and began to discredit me behind the scenes, so if I ever spoke up, I wouldn’t be believed. It was heartbreaking. I sought legal advice and spoke with professionals, but since I wasn’t a firsthand witness, I was told there was nothing more I could do. The system made it nearly impossible to advocate safely or effectively. 
      As for your question about the Bible study, I didn’t ask Living Proof for permission to mention Beth’s latest, and I don’t receive anything in return. I haven’t previewed this one yet, but I’ve appreciated many of her studies over the years. In a landscape that requires deep discernment, I still consider her one of the safer and more faithful voices. 
      Thank you for asking with such thoughtfulness. These are not easy conversations, but I believe truth, held in love, is always worth telling. 
      With grace and grit, 
      Carolyn 

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      1. Barbara Roberts Avatar

        Thank you for your detailed reply Carolyn. 🙂

        The ‘behind the scenes’ manipulations at your former church are so typical! There are som many variations of the same tune…and they’re all at the expense of the victims.

        It’s interesting to me that GRACE got paid a lot of money but the church didn’t change. I bet that happens in multiple churches where “independent investigators” have been brought in. And who benefits?
        1. The predators in the church.
        2. The people in the church who are covering up for the predators and turning a blind eye.
        3. The people who earn their living being employed at GRACE.

        I could even take this further and say that other people benefit as a flow on:
        4. The legal professionals who victims and victim-allies consult.
        5. The counselors, coaches and “advocates” who make their living (or a part of their income) by “assisting survivors to heal”.

        The victims get nothing. But it’s a good industry for everyone else who makes money out of “processing” survivors.

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      2. Carolyn Deevers Avatar

        I agree with your assessments, Barbara, yet I’m also deeply grateful for the psychologists and counselors who’ve helped me process trauma and move toward healing. Some have been God-sent—caring, wise, and deeply committed to walking with survivors in truth and gentleness.

        I forgot to mention something crucial: the church never told the congregation about the allegations, the investigation, the findings, or even the massive payout to G.R.A.C.E. It was all kept quiet, as if silence could sanctify sin.

        Sometimes I wonder if these churches and organizations all attend the same unholy seminar: How to Handle Abuse Allegations the Worst Way Possible. Instead of pursuing truth, humility, and justice, they follow a script of secrecy, spin, and damage control. It’s heartbreaking—and infuriating.

        But the heart of Christ looks very different. “Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them” (Ephesians 5:11). That’s the call—not to manage optics, but to walk in the light.

        And I’ll keep praying that more leaders will have the courage to choose integrity over image.

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      3. Barbara Roberts Avatar

        Like you Carolyn, I have benefitted from seeing some counsellors / psychologists /psychiatrists. I’ve also been let down, misunderstood, misjudged and misdiagnosed by some mental health professionals.

        I’m currently receiving treatment for C-PTSD from a very experienced social worker who has mental health qualifications including EMDR which is an evidence-based treatment for trauma. She’s not a Christian but she’s entirely comfortable with how my faith impacts and helps me.

        In my observation, it’s often hard for survivors to find (and then able to pay for!) a qualified and experienced mental health professional who understands abuse, mind-control, misogyny, PTSD, etc. I’m nearly 70 and it’s taken me years to find a mental health professional whose skills are a good match for my needs!

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      4. Barbara Roberts Avatar

        I am confident that “these churches and organizations all attend the same unholy seminar: How to Handle Abuse Allegations the Worst Way Possible. Instead of pursuing truth, humility, and justice, they follow a script of secrecy, spin, and damage control.”

        The seminar is run all over the world by Satan and his human allies. The human allies of Satan are predators and predator enablers, and they have infiltrated the institutional churches in large numbers and brainwashed the sheep.

        I write about this a lot at my blog. For example, myself latest post:

        The lifeboats around the sinking titanic which is the institutional church

        Feel free to delete the link if you don’t want it at your blog, Carolyn. 🥰

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